Icy Phoenix

Hi everyone!

I'm uploading my template again since it works with 1.3 and the old topic was moved.

This file has the different backgrounds for the left and right column headers and should have improved ads and blocks positioning. I still need to do something with the drop down menu and the UPI2DB but if you don't use them it should be fine. I'm also uploading a PSD file (and a font) with the buttons for the main actions for the forum in case you need them in another language (sorry if the PSD is a little messy :oops: ).

Here are some screenshots:


Please make suggestions and report bugs.

A great them thanks for sharing .. some great goodies in your CSS

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

What a unique Icy Phoenix website!

Keep up the good work!

Excellent theme... Thanks!!!

Very nice job.

Thanks for sharing. :mricy:

Looks great

:up:

Jogge

Very nice job elpulgas

Thanks for sharing it.

sorry my English is bad enough the truth

I got the item to the ftp but not the right place, I get to install in the ACP

as installing?

You´ve got to put it in

your_site/templates/knekz
rember to upload it in BINARY mod of your client

afterwards you go to
ACP-Templates & Styles- install_style

select knekz from the list and install it

have fun

Thanks spydie . I could install the style

elpulgas thanks for the style :D :D :D

I'm glad you all like it :)

@DWho: I saw you are using min-width for the wrapper in your styles :mrgreen: . But don't forget to set max-width too since there are people with TV's instead of common monitors.

elpulgas wrote: [View Post]

I'm glad you all like it :)

@DWho: I saw you are using min-width for the wrapper in your styles :mrgreen: . But don't forget to set max-width too since there are people with TV's instead of common monitors.

ahhh thanks for the heads up.... I shall check it. out... I forgot about tvs

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Jeremy wrote: [View Post]

Thanks spydie . I could install the style

elpulgas thanks for the style :D :D :D

You're welcome :mrgreen:

DWho wrote: [View Post]

ahhh thanks for the heads up.... I shall check it. out... I forgot about tvs

:mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Yeah there are so many possible resolutions it's easy to forget about a percentage of the users :P I just remembered because one of my friends has one :D

Thanks very much for the styles!

I really think the blue is very clean and perfect for many sites. I love the new version of IP and I put both your blue and dark here: http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/index.php

:mryellow:

gearhead wrote: [View Post]

Thanks very much for the styles!

I really think the blue is very clean and perfect for many sites. I love the new version of IP and I put both your blue and dark here: http://www.thegtsaga.net/GT/index.php

:mryellow:

Glad to hear that :mrgreen:
I also prefer the blue as default since it's cleaner and easier to use.

Quote:

Please feel free to make suggestions and report any bugs.

Your themes have one form error and numerous warnings for missing div's tr's and tables etc.

May not sound like much, but if and when one goes to add mods or other markup to the themes, the misconfiguration is more than likely to create unwanted problems.

I also don't understand why you needed to rename files, or include the default.cfg in your themes as the latter removes the global attribute of the default.cfg, and all .cfg additions and changes if necessary could have been added or included into the style.cfg.

You also need to re-work the cms blocks to be compatible with the default layout of IP themes, rather than suggest that advert blocks be compromised - Because that's what Icy Phoenix is all about.


Edit: Damn 24 hr restriction! :shock:

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elpulgas wrote: [View Post]

Yeah there are so many possible resolutions it's easy to forget about a percentage of the users :P I just remembered because one of my friends has one :D

There is absolutely no difference between a monitor and a TV irrespective of its size, resolution or whether it is progressive or interlaced.

The screen only mimics the digital input that the markup provides. :P

The biggest problem is that people add "fixed width" in amongst "variable width" when creating themes or any other html markup.

Consider - If it's fluid width then use %'s, if not then use fixed px, as combing the both does create the problems you highlighted.

In other words - It's the programmer - not the monitor.

Hell! I use a 40 inch "TV" at times on unreal resolutions, and if it "Breaks" - It's usually not the "TV's" problem. ;)

Hi Lopalong!

You got me there lol. Since I've been editing the template to be as tableless as posible many files still have table tags that are made for tables that don't exist anymore. That will take quite a while to fix but you're right, it must be done. I also get the form error when validating but I haven't looked where it is and thus not fixed it. I also know the ads must be compatible and I've been working on it. really.

Why did I copy the cfg? Don't know it was just new to me and decided to copy all important things to a new folder :oops:

Lopalong wrote: [View Post]

In other words - It's the programmer - not the monitor.

I know, I never said otherwise, I just pointed out you have to keep that in mind.

OK so I still have much to repair (also the black theme has lots of white remainings).

Thank you for the advise Lopalong :mrgreen: I think you're the first one to see those errors (or at least the first one to tell me)


Edit:

I need help with this:

Here is an error I get at the validator, which is repeatet for every attribute in the marquee. What is the simplest solution? Change the document type? Thanks

wow very nice style yujuuu a probar!!

elpulgas wrote: [View Post]

I need help with this:

Here is an error I get at the validator, which is repeatet for every attribute in the marquee. What is the simplest solution? Change the document type? Thanks

Attribute "id" exists, but can not be used for this element.

<marquee id="recent_topics" behavior="scroll" direction="up" height="200" scroll

You wont get it to validate because it's not recognised as legitimate WC3 markup.

http://www.htmlref.com/reference/appa/tag_marquee.htm

Quote:

This is primarily a Microsoft-specific element, although a few other browsers, notably MSNTV and later Netscape and Mozilla versions, support it to some degree.

And you'll get some other things that enhance IP script but don't validate either. ;)

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Table-less, Mmmm!

You're going to find that one hell of a workout with nested templates etc, and not only that, mods and extras would have to re-written just for one theme, and certainly not something I would be interested in doing.

Consider also that some .php core files contain markup as well.

But! if it keeps you happy - Keep doing it. :mricy:

It's a shame that it won`t validate but what can I do? It's very useful and looks good so I'll leave it there. Thank you for the information.

Look, I fixed all other errors:
Index validation (invalid)
Forum validation (valid =])

Only thing you can do is use a JavaScript to emulate marquee.

You can use JQuery, or Scriptaculous or MooFX... there are many (most of them already included in Icy Phoenix)... I think also HighSlide is capable of some sort of marquee.

You just need to choose one and apply the required code.

I will also convert the current scrolling blocks one day... but since MARQUEE (even if not valid W3C) is working with all main browsers it's not on my priority list. I just avoid using marquee on my sites. :wink:

(And this is the reason I have created a flash block!)

I agree with leaving it as it is since it works with many browsers. Even though it doesn't validate I think it's better than JavaScript or Flash.

Look my problem:

Question.

Have you installed both Knekz themes???

spydie wrote: [View Post]

Question.

Have you installed both Knekz themes???

Yes.

That´s why.

ElPulgas said strictly not to install both themes together. or one or the other.

I think he explained that in Knekz dark. They are not compatible with each other.

Uninstall both themes .

Delet the one you don´t want to use from your site and install the other one new.

Tell me what happens

Hello,

I have a problem with this template. This template do not run with internet explorer 6. The problem is that a lot of user still use ie6 and this is a big problem in this moment because this meaning a users lost.

Your template is very, very good and i am very interesting to use in my forum, but this problem stop me.

Could you make compatible with internet explorer 6?

Thanks you for this template!!!!

Tell your users to upgarde IE

As IE 6 has no suport anymore, it´s dead

spydie wrote: [View Post]

Tell your users to upgarde IE

As IE 6 has no suport anymore, it´s dead

I am not agree with this. The users have not why to adjust to your forum, you must ajust to your users. The users are the boss. A good template must be readable for the most comon explorers...

The users used a lot ie:
Visit that use Internet Explorer in my forum Visits: 49.292

7.0 22.364 45,37%

6.0 13.577 27,54%

This meaning that 13.577 visits use ie6. If you use this template, you lost 13.577.

May be ie6 is a crap, but is very used by the users yet.

portalpez wrote: [View Post]

May be ie6 is a crap, but is very used by the users yet.

Yes! and I would suggest that most of those users don't have licensed Operating Systems and are NOT entitled to anything other than IE6 when it comes to Windows.

And if that IS the case - then it's time for them to realise that antiquated software is no longer supported, and why should programmers cater for it. ?

Anyone with licensed versions of Windows would automatically upgrade to later versions of IE, so what you are suggesting only indicates one should also cater for pirated Operating Systems.

Time to move on my friend, those days are dead and gone.. :lcop:

Edit:

Maybe "Pirated Operating Systems" is a bit strong - Let's just call it Windows Operating Systems that DON'T validate, and are therefore not entitled to be upgraded. :shock:

portalpez wrote: [View Post]

If you use this template, you lost 13.577.

Even MG and Icy Phoenix v.1.3.0.* no longer support IE6 - If you feel you need to use this template for the benefit of your Members / Visitors - You could always try to downgrade it to IE6 yourself. Else advise them to use FF or Opera etc. But then again - They would probably have to find an "Old" version of those too. :roll:

Hello Lopalong,

Like i said the user is the boss. If a user has i6, (licensed or not licensed operating system) and the user charge your page and see that the charge is bad, the user go away. If you think that the user going to update, you are wrong.

I work in informatic services, and i have seen a lot of users(with licensed o.s.) that have ie6, because he know it well and like it, and this users dont like it ie7 or firefox...etc.

I am attempt to trasmit that the users are very tradicional and the freaks are we... :mrgreen:

A lot of home people not understand this things, and dont go to update...althoug you put a link to update like this:

If you dont update to ie7 or firefox, you will dead

:mrgreen:

That´s your users problem then.

I don´t think that somebody is going to make an IE6 patch for his templates

portalpez wrote: [View Post]

Hello Lopalong,Like i said the user is the boss. If a user has i6, (licensed or not licensed operating system) and the user charge your page and see that the charge is bad, the user go away. If you think that the user going to update, you are wrong.

What you need to realise is that IE6 is dead, finished, kaput, and NO longer supported - And if your users / visitors / die hard IE6 users haven't got the brains to realise that IE6 is "Yesterdays Code" and is NOT compatible with with "Today's Coding" Then they deserve everything that they get.

I feel I can speak for all theme-makers and coders here (Or anywhere else for that matter) - If you want to run with IE6 for any reason whatsoever, then you had better become a Whiz with browsers and backward html coding - Because NOBODY else is interested in catering for your problem.

portalpez wrote: [View Post]

If you think that the user going to update, you are wrong.

No, as I said they deserve what they get. But do spare us the whining about what you think your users / visitors should be entitled to have; when the coding standards of today are a lot different from the days of "htm" and Windows IE6.

Lopalong wrote: [View Post]

No, as I said they deserve what they get. But do spare us the whining about what you think your users / visitors should be entitled to have; when the coding standards of today are a lot different from the days of "htm" and Widows IE6.

More then a Widdow, IE 6 Is a ZOMBIE.

I wonder why in some PC´s it´s still alive

Widdow!

Trust you to pick up on that before I corrected it. :mryellow:

But I suppose that it does really suit to some degree - Only the widow in this case is the one that's dead. :lol:

Much like IE6 :censored:

Hello again, :mrgreen:

Please, be patient with my englis, is very bad. I am sorry in advance is anyone be offended, this is not my intentions.

spydie wrote: [View Post]

That´s your users problem then.

I don´t think that somebody is going to make an IE6 patch for his templates

Ok, I understand. But this is a error. Do you like lost users?

Lopalong wrote: [View Post]

What you need to realise is that IE6 is dead, finished, kaput, and NO longer supported - And if your users / visitors / die hard IE6 users haven't got the brains to realise that IE6 is "Yesterdays Code" and is NOT compatible with with "Today's Coding" Then they deserve everything that they get.

I feel I can speak for all theme-makers and coders here (Or anywhere else for that matter) - If you want to run with IE6 for any reason whatsoever, then you had better become a Whiz with browsers and backward html coding - Because NOBODY else is interested in catering for your problem.

portalpez wrote: [View Post]

If you think that the user going to update, you are wrong.

No, as I said they deserve what they get. But do spare us the whining about what you think your users / visitors should be entitled to have; when the coding standards of today are a lot different from the days of "htm" and Windows IE6.

I dont agre with your afirmation of ie6 is dead. Please, see your statistics. Do you want show you my statistics of this year?

From 13 january of 2009 to 13 august:

Internet explorer 7.0 Visits: 211.385 59,30%
Internet explorer 6.0 Visits: 108.130 30,33%
Internet explorer 5.5 230 0,06% -----------> yes, it is dead.

108.130 users is no problem of users, is a big problem for a webmaster, because a webmaster that use a template not compatible with ie6, lost this users.

Dead? I am sure that still is alive.


But i understand, that the today code is imcompatible with the yesterday code.


The problem is that 2 weeks ago, this template is charging good with ie6, but not now.

spydie wrote: [View Post]

That´s why.

ElPulgas said strictly not to install both themes together. or one or the other.

I think he explained that in Knekz dark. They are not compatible with each other.

Uninstall both themes .

Delet the one you don´t want to use from your site and install the other one new.

Tell me what happens

No Spydie, you got me wrong. Both styles can be run simultaneusly. I just said if you were to install Dark you had to replace the blue images. That's not importnat anymore since both topics have the same file with both templates updated. Unfortunately I don't know why but I can't see any screenshot, text whatsoever explaining the problem with two templates installed.

About IE6....what can I say. I only know of 3 computers that still use it and they were all in my school. I tried to make it Ie6 compatible but it's support for CSS is so poor I got tired of it and IE8 came out so I thought no one would use less than 7 anymore.

I'm sorry Portalpez but I think this style won't be the best for your site if almost 50% of your visits are with IE6. I think those statistics are very strange but what can I do.

Search Google for "project no Ie6 support". You will get things like this:
http://mashable.com/2009/08/04/ie6-no-more/
I'm sorry but it's true, IE6 is an old story.

elpulgas wrote: [View Post]

About IE6....what can I say. I only know of 3 computers that still use it and they were all in my school. I tried to make it Ie6 compatible but it's support for CSS is so poor I got tired of it and IE8 came out so I thought no one would use less than 7 anymore.

Thanks you very much. It is a pity, but thanks you anyway.... :cry:

Try putting the embed banner found here http://www.ie6nomore.com/code-samples.html on your site. It should improve thigs and when you see your statistics have changed you can think of using a different template.

elpulgas wrote: [View Post]

Try putting the embed banner that is on the link I gave you on your site. It should improve thigs and when you see your statistics have changed you can think of using a different template.

Thanks you.

spydie wrote: [View Post]

That´s why.

ElPulgas said strictly not to install both themes together. or one or the other.

I think he explained that in Knekz dark. They are not compatible with each other.

Uninstall both themes .

Delet the one you don´t want to use from your site and install the other one new.

Tell me what happens

Nothing happens

Are you shure you uploaded all files in BINARY mod of your client ??


Can you please post an image or explain what happens exactly

Yes, please. Do you get a blank page? Did you install it just for your account or for everyone? Such kind of things would be good. Oh and also a link if you can. I hope we can fix it.

@Portalpez

I already saw the page in IE6. It's a mess just like in the screenshot you send me. I'll have a look at the things I changed and check what is causing the problem.

spydie wrote: [View Post]

Are you shure you uploaded all files in BINARY mod of your client ??


Can you please post an image or explain what happens exactly

My web: www.espantala.net

Well I can see it working on FF 3.5 and IE7. The only problem is the side navigation. It doesn't show right. But besides that big issue the site works fine. You use the CMS for the menu, right? Because I still have to edit the dyn menu block.

elpulgas wrote: [View Post]

Well I can see it working on FF 3.5 and IE7. The only problem is the side navigation. It doesn't show right. But besides that big issue the site works fine. You use the CMS for the menu, right? Because I still have to edit the dyn menu block.

Any solution?

String wrote: [View Post]

Any solution?

Yes. Wait until I edit the file to use the right clases. Problem is I'm not home. I`ll fly on saturday so maybe monday or so...
I'm sorry I didn't do that before :oops:

elpulgas wrote: [View Post]

String wrote: [View Post]

Any solution?

Yes. Wait until I edit the file to use the right clases. Problem is I'm not home. I`ll fly on saturday so maybe monday or so...

Thanks!

I think that this may be the problem ;)

Open:

knekz_blue.css

elpulgas wrote: [View Post]

@Portalpez

I already saw the page in IE6. It's a mess just like in the screenshot you send me. I'll have a look at the things I changed and check what is causing the problem.

Thanks you very much.