https://www.icyphoenix.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=295
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Mighty Gorgon
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 12:57

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Hi all.

After a quick poll among the Staff, we have decided to remove KB from phpBB XS.

Here are the reasons:
[list][*]KB is an outdated mod, designed for MX and not for phpBB... it has just been readapted to XS.
[*]Original KB was full of security holes... we should have fixed most of them... but still no 100% secure.
[*]KB is quite unuseful: you can use standard forums to reach similar results to KB.
[*]Many bugs are KB related.[/list]

Before definitely removing KB from phpBB XS, I would like to know even your opinion... and eventually consider some GOOD (but they must be really GOOD) reasons to keep this mod in xs.

Please, vote this poll and let me know what do you think about KB.

Thank you.


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casimedicos
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 12:59

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erase, delete, borrar, eliminarrrrrrr,........... :twisted:


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okada1314
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 13:00

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Noo del!!!


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fracs
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 13:03

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Yes, yes, yes  :twisted:


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Mighty Gorgon
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 13:03

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[quote user="okada1314" post="2484"]Noo del!!![/quote]
Why not?


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casimedicos
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 13:05

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[quote user="okada1314" post="2484"]Noo del!!![/quote]
reasons please, if you vote no

because there are a lot of reasons to kill the kb :lcop: 
but i dont know the reasons for maintain it

if you need a knowledge base there are a lot of good scripts in php free

and if you want into forums, do a forum to it

the kb its bad


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JANU1535
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 13:23

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Yes, as for me not it use.
And as above greater reason is a vulnerability then.

Greets.


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TheSteffen
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 13:59

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remove it :!:


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AvrilBoi
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 14:19

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I voted yes 'cause I don't use it, and, I mean, that's something more like a section of a website than a mod for forums...


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Zuker
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 14:32

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remove it


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ThE KuKa
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 14:53

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Yes, remove please. 8)


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Hakkinen
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 15:59

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My forum is based on XS, and it has internet, windows, linux, software, networking, and other computer related forums, and the KB is very usefull for Guides, Tutorials.

 :(


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Xusqui
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 16:06

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Oh! SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T

No, no, no, no...

I really use the KB as an independent place where relevant articles are published. I mean... For instances, my web site is dedicated to Stephen King, well If I publish a Biography about him, after awhile the post would be lost, unless it's sticky, but I have too many articles to use them all as Sticky, If I did it would be boring to see the forum as most of the posts would be sticky's

At least, please, please, please, please, let us decide wether if we want it or we don't!!!

And last... Staff shouldn't vote here, isn't it?


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casimedicos
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 16:13

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[quote user="Xusqui" post="2524"]
And last... Staff shouldn't vote here, isn't it?[/quote]
why not?
all opinions are welcome

and all have our reasons

and all are users of phpbbxs, then all have the opportunity of give opinions, including yours


possibly solutions
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remove kb         ---------------  :v: 

but put kb how to add to next release, for people like yours, but not included, like the mods that you can download for phpbb etc...
and dont do more support for them, if you want the kb you have to install it, follow the steps........

its my solution :doc:


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DWho
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 16:18

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I think you should remove it...you could always replace it with the forum tour from www.oxpus.de...

Personally speaking I think it is a great way of telling your members things..

 :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:


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Bicet
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 16:57

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[quote user="DWho" post="2529"]I think you should remove it...you could always replace it with the forum tour from www.oxpus.de...

Personally speaking I think it is a great way of telling your members things..

 :mrgreen:  :mrgreen:[/quote]

It's really different from forum tour...

I've voted NO


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Bicet
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 16:58

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[quote user="Xusqui" post="2524"]Oh! SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T

No, no, no, no...

I really use the KB as an independent place where relevant articles are published. I mean... For instances, my web site is dedicated to Stephen King, well If I publish a Biography about him, after awhile the post would be lost, unless it's sticky, but I have too many articles to use them all as Sticky, If I did it would be boring to see the forum as most of the posts would be sticky's

At least, please, please, please, please, let us decide wether if we want it or we don't!!!

And last... Staff shouldn't vote here, isn't it?[/quote]

That's why i've added it :D


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damidalla
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 17:04

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Yes!
If someone should need it, he could always try to apply the mod to his forum. For an unused functionality, nobody should suffer from security problems!
I think also the 'Help Desk' could be rethought. At least, it should be possible to disable it from XS...


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Bicet
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 17:23

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It doesn't have some many bugs at the time... BTW if you think that this could be a problem for security you can always remove it from your site.....

Same goes for Helpdesk


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Lucky
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 17:30

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I'm using KB for newspaper articles. Categories are the arguments (environment, report, politics, economy ...) and Types are the name of the source (the name of newspapers).

I have voted no because I need it or something like it.

but, in the same time, I have a lot of problem with this Mod, problems that seems to have only me, and if the staff will decide to remove it from the next build ... I will accept the decision without cry ... the best for me is to have another Mod like KB for the management of articles.


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casimedicos
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 18:22

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[quote user="Bicet" post="2539"]It doesn't have some many bugs at the time... BTW if you think that this could be a problem for security you can always remove it from your site.....

Same goes for Helpdesk[/quote]
yes 
this is other option

really, i kill kb on my forums, ....
later if anyone is interested, i can write the files to delete to uninstall kb


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Bicet
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 18:23

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There are only 5-6 files to edit I think...


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casimedicos
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 18:48

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to delete kb
[code linenumbers=false]delete
in root
/
kb.php
kb_search.php


in folder
/adm
all admin_kb... files

/includes
all functions_kb... files

	emplatesca_aphrodite
all kb_... files
	emplatesca_aphroditeadm
all kb_... files
[/code]
is your decission if is useful to publish this in a public forum

and maintain the mod in releases


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Hakkinen
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 19:04

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If the option "YES" win...then you can remove KB, but, it would be nice that KB could be a XS MOD. If a user need KB (like me, and others) we can install it.



PS.: this link: http://www.icyphoenix.com/viewforum.php?f=4 and the topics there, must be in KB  :shock:  :lol:


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casimedicos
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 19:08

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i am agree that the solution is one of this
or not remove and put a guide with steps to kill it the users can not use it

or put it standalone as xs mod, as you says

one or other are great solutions in my opinion

the guide to uninstall are less or more the steps that i post, ill do it in my sites and never have problems the vulnerabilitys with kb in my forum (but yes with other mods ) (ooopsss)

well i forgot another option, search another mod that replace kb

but i cant find it for the moment

[quote]PS.: this link: http://www.phpBBXS.eu/viewforum.php?f=4 and the topics there, must be in KB[/quote]
im disagree i hate kb :twisted: 

im agree that the information must be categorized but not kb, ill find other mod or try to integrate to phpbb
options

http://www.hotscripts.com/PHP/Scripts_and_Programs/FAQ_and_Knowledgebase/index.html


i think that this can be good
http://kbpublisher.sourceforge.net/features.php


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Xusqui
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 20:36

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And do you really want to try another new system from zero, integrate it with XS, test if it's secure, let the users publish articles... 

That's a huge work!!!!

The two options are:

-Remove it

-Leave it

Don't think it's a good idea start developing a new mod!!!!

Maybe an intermediate solution is to keep on developing XS keepin' the modifications in the common.php for kb and release separatedly a KB pack, with the files. You could remove the links from the block and create a new block specific for KB, released with the KB pack...

I mean... I updated from Minerva a month ago and if I would have known that you were planning to remove KB, probably I wouldn't have updated to XS... :(

And maybe the poll should have been with this options:

- Yes
- No
- I don't care!


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casimedicos
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 20:50

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[quote user="Xusqui" post="2561"]And do you really want to try another new system from zero, integrate it with XS, test if it's secure, let the users publish articles... 

That's a huge work!!!!

The two options are:

-Remove it

-Leave it

Don't think it's a good idea start developing a new mod!!!!

Maybe an intermediate solution is to keep on developing XS keepin' the modifications in the common.php for kb and release separatedly a KB pack, with the files. You could remove the links from the block and create a new block specific for KB, released with the KB pack...

I mean... I updated from Minerva a month ago and if I would have known that you were planning to remove KB, probably I wouldn't have updated to XS... :(

And maybe the poll should have been with this options:

- Yes
- No
- I don't care![/quote]
the problem is not problem

if maintain the minimun in xs, 
the mod is almost standalone
as you can see in the original release attached
read the .txt
is almost upload it and works
http://www.phpbbxs.eu/viewtopic.php?p=2565#2565

the discussion is if this is in the official release included or as independent module


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Tom
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 21:29

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How about moving it to the /contrib/ folder? That way who ever needs or wants it can use it, and it won't be part of the default installation anymore therefore not posing a security risk...


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Nizzle
Wed 06 Sep, 2006 22:55

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delete the bastard! :mrg:

I'd prefer you spend your time fixing things that actually have a good use.. is secure.. and (pretty much) bug free
plus.. I've never used it anyways :mrg:

[quote user="Xusqui" post="2524"]Oh! SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T SH*T

No, no, no, no...

I really use the KB as an independent place where relevant articles are published. I mean... For instances, my web site is dedicated to Stephen King, well If I publish a Biography about him, after awhile the post would be lost, unless it's sticky, but I have too many articles to use them all as Sticky, If I did it would be boring to see the forum as most of the posts would be sticky's

At least, please, please, please, please, let us decide wether if we want it or we don't!!!

And last... Staff shouldn't vote here, isn't it?[/quote]

what's wrong with creating a new forum.. or maybe category even
and name that KB.. put all your stuff in there
give everyone permission to view
admin only to post..
reply could be to anyone.. or admin whatever you prefer


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Mighty Gorgon
Thu 07 Sep, 2006 01:50

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Just to show you what I mean when I said to use forums instead of KB, I've created this quick feature...

http://www.phpbbxs.eu/viewforum.php?f=4&kb=true

I'm still using the standard viewforum and viewtopic... but attaching the address with [b]&kb=true[/b] you will have a different template which looks more like the KB one...


This is just a little demo of what can easily be done to simulate KB.


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Xusqui
Thu 07 Sep, 2006 07:32

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[quote user="Nizzle" post="2569"]what's wrong with creating a new forum.. or maybe category even
and name that KB.. put all your stuff in there
give everyone permission to view
admin only to post..
reply could be to anyone.. or admin whatever you prefer[/quote]

But:

1.- If I create a forum where everyone could answer topics would always be too disordered.

2.- If users cannot post, I won't know their opinion about it.

3.- Much more difficult to find an article inside a forum.

4.- So, pretty much ordered in the kb

MG, It looks like a forum, indeed!!! And I cannot use "pagination" like I do in this article: http://www.ka-tet-corp.com/portal2.0/musica-kba59.html

Does XS suppor sub-templates? If so, a possible solution could be designing a brand new template to use with a forum dedicated to the knowledge base...

And, what happens with my articles? (72 loooooonng articles and on) Would I loose them?

Which are the files in XS that are modified by the Knowledge Base mod only those 2 lines in constants.php or anything else? Because if that's the only one, I can't see the problem!

And, finally, anybodyknows a web that's been hacked because of a kb bug?


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Antonio Mercurio
Thu 07 Sep, 2006 07:54

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I voted NO becouse in other board I use it for some reason (I've a site dedicated to fan-writing and the messages are inserted in the KB)

I suggest to create an "Addon" specifibg that KB is a mod that needs the "register_global" set to off to be safely used in the board.


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Xusqui
Thu 07 Sep, 2006 15:21

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Are you sure, Antonio?

In my website register_global is off, and KB works fine. Or is it that it has some programming trick to enable register_global only in KB?


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Antonio Mercurio
Thu 07 Sep, 2006 15:37

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[quote user="Xusqui" post="2613"]Are you sure, Antonio?

In my website register_global is off, and KB works fine. Or is it that it has some programming trick to enable register_global only in KB?[/quote]

My site is register-global at off and in safe mode:

I mean.
Regardless removing KB in the next version I'm proposing to release an "Addon" specifing that the use of KB on a server with register global set to ON is like you go around with a stick in the back that says "kick me"


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Ziebal de Gilead
Thu 07 Sep, 2006 15:46

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Not remove kb..

In my web, we used it to publish some important articles.

Regards!
Z.


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fare85
Thu 07 Sep, 2006 16:08

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[quote]
Regardless removing KB in the next version I'm proposing to release an "Addon" specifing that the use of KB
[/quote]
great idea Antonio


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Claire
Thu 07 Sep, 2006 19:07

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I say remove it, I don't use it myself.


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Nizzle
Thu 07 Sep, 2006 22:40

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[quote user="Xusqui" post="2588"][quote user="Nizzle" post="2569"]what's wrong with creating a new forum.. or maybe category even
and name that KB.. put all your stuff in there
give everyone permission to view
admin only to post..
reply could be to anyone.. or admin whatever you prefer[/quote]

But:

1.- If I create a forum where everyone could answer topics would always be too disordered.

2.- If users cannot post, I won't know their opinion about it.

3.- Much more difficult to find an article inside a forum.

4.- So, pretty much ordered in the kb[/quote]

1) then don't allow them to post.. or make a diffrent forum for discussion about it..
2) poll? or what I said at 1
3) why? forum has a search function.. and you can create diffrent forums in a category
4) dunno.. never seen any advantage in using it..


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Shining
Fri 08 Sep, 2006 03:05

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my english is bad 

MG ma perchè vuoi togliere il KB??? :shock:  :shock:  :shock: 
 :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil: 

guarda forse è una delle cose più belle che ha la xs... ma daiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
se agli altri non piacciono se la fanno loro la modifica o cambiano board ma lascialo per piacere.  [img]http://www.icyphoenix.com/images/smiles/0003.gif[/img]  :cry:  :cry:


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casimedicos
Fri 08 Sep, 2006 11:32

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http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=415458

http://www.phpbb.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=415272
Knowledge Base MOD for phpBB

Fountain Of Apples wrote:
A Knowledge Base MOD has been a very highly requested MOD, however it has never found its way into our MOD Database. This MOD would essentially establish a Knowledge Base which would be integrated into phpBB. The users of a board would be able to browse, post, etc. in the Knowledge Base using their same account on phpBB.

The Knowledge Base should be fully configurable from within the Admin Control panel. An admin would be able to set up categories for articles to be posted in (subcategories could be an available feature at MOD author's discretion). Permissions for the Knowledge Base should be able to be set on a per-category basis, similar to phpBB's Forum Permissions panel (with the same ALL/REG/PRIVATE/MOD/ADMIN groups). Permissions should be able to be set for any action that can be taken in the Knowledge Base, such as posting articles, commenting on articles, editing, deleting, etc. Users and/or groups can be assigned to moderate categories. The Knowledge Base should also integrate other phpBB technologies where appropriate, for example, BBCode for posting articles/comments.


History of this MOD

This MOD was a idea that was brought up on the MMW topic located here

Screenshots

Coming Soon


Demo

Coming Soon

Download This MOD

No current download link, as this is still in DEV/Ideas stage

Feature Requests

Feature Requests can either be posted here in this topic, over at our forums: http://www.phpbbknowledgebase.com/board or in the SF Tracker. We do ask, however, in order to keep on top of requests that you submit any you have to the sourceforge tracker, thus we don't have to go through searcing posts to find your request Smile

Bugs

Bugs can either be posted here in this topic, over at our forums: http://www.phpbbknowledgebase.com/board or in the SF Tracker. We do ask, however, in order to keep on top of bugs that you submit any you have to the sourceforge tracker, thus we don't have to go through searcing posts to find the bug(s) that you reported. Please do not report bugs in the Subversion version of the code. Only report bugs that appear on actual releases, thanks Smile

Tracking Development

YOu can track the latest codechanges by checking out a copy of this MODs SVN. To check out a copy you need to copy the URL below into your SVN client. For more information on SVN visit Sourceforges SVN area here

phpBB2 Branch:
Code:
https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/phpbbkb/phpBB2


phpBB3 Branch:
Code:
https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/phpbbkb/phpBB3


Main Branch:
Code:
https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/phpbbkb/main


Please note that this is a live copy, and some bits may not be working/not there at times when we are developing the code Smile

I also recommend that you subscribe to the checkins mailing list (linky linky) in order to keep up with the latest versions of the code. Each time a new commit is added to the SVN server this mailing list will notify you via your chosen email Smile

IRC & Forums

There is a IRC channel for your convience. It is ##phpbb-kb and is located on the freenode network. (irc.freenode.net)

The forums are now available; http://www.phpbbknowledgebase.com/board/

The forums are back online after the server move!

Helping Out

Ideas: Have a great idea that you would love to see in this MOD? Post it here, ideas are always welcome from all sources.

Developers: Developing a MOD of this size is always a challenge. Therefore i am looking for some developers to contribute to this project. I like to get the community involved as much as possible and contributing code is a ideal way to make your mark on this project Smile

Testers: Testers are always welcome here Wink. If you do find a bug please report it, dont sit on it. If you don't report it we don't know about it and therefore we can't fix it.

Mark

Edit History (All times BST):
21/07/2006 - 13:41 - "Helping Out" Added
24/07/2006 - 13:41 - Forums & Mailing List Added
24/07/2006 - 17:16 - Subversion details added
25/07/2006 - 02:44 - Feature Request Added
26/07/2006 - 19:29 - "Bugs" Added
09/08/2006 - 15:30 - Added the forum offline status


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okada1314
Fri 08 Sep, 2006 13:41

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I think KB not a bad mods and del KB mods not good!


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Miguel
Sat 09 Sep, 2006 23:33

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I don't care :mrgreen:


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Bee
Sun 10 Sep, 2006 12:25

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[quote user="Xusqui" post="2588"]
And, finally, anybodyknows a web that's been hacked because of a kb bug?[/quote]
Yes, I do. These sites are restored and the mod has been removed. The mod is nice, but the quality of it is terrible. That MX module thing is crap.


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squeegie
Sun 10 Sep, 2006 20:00

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I think new "news" mod can support KB.............

it has categories and sub-categories........and News mod NO

I think the News mod MUST have cats and sub-cats ..........and some modify to code can add in the mod ("news") the possibility to create KB (like "show in Home page" - add "show in KB").........

In fact i'd ask if now it's possible to add Topics like news in Kb.......but i think is no possible......

There are sites like www.vivicentro.org  which use kb like standard news board......the Daily news

This is my idea.........

I don'tknow if it's clear........


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ps3love
Mon 11 Sep, 2006 21:31

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erase!!!


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Mighty Gorgon
Tue 12 Sep, 2006 09:31

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Decision has been taken... KB won't be removed... :wink:


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Xusqui
Tue 12 Sep, 2006 15:51

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GLAD to hear you :D :D :D :D

Anyway, although I've been one of the greatest deffenders of KB, I would have accepted any desition!!

And people who don't want them can always remove the kb*.php files... Don't they?

Thanks, and forgive our hard way of thinkin'!!!


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Darkheald
Wed 13 Sep, 2006 21:01

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NOOO


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lupiro
Fri 06 Oct, 2006 05:06

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[quote="Of topic"]Hola soy Nonaoco en PHPBB-ES.COM, solo estoy tratando de entender de que ba este tema.

dice borrar la Base de datos de la antigua web?? eso??
Si es asi yo voto que no.

Lo malo es que no se ingles  :(  :( [/quote]


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Hakkinen
Fri 06 Oct, 2006 22:09

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[quote user="lupiro" post="3702"][quote="Of topic"]Hola soy Nonaoco en PHPBB-ES.COM, solo estoy tratando de entender de que ba este tema.

dice borrar la Base de datos de la antigua web?? eso??
Si es asi yo voto que no.

Lo malo es que no se ingles  :(  :( [/quote][/quote]

La encuesta trata de que si se borra o no el Knowledge Base (KB) o Base del Conocimiento o Biblioteca...los resultados de la encuesta gana el SI, pero ganó en realidad el NO por un asunto de justificar el "porque".


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JANU1535
Sat 07 Oct, 2006 13:26

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Please in english...


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Hakkinen
Sun 08 Oct, 2006 04:23

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[quote user="lupiro" post="3702"][quote="Of topic"]Hola soy Nonaoco en PHPBB-ES.COM, solo estoy tratando de entender de que ba este tema.

dice borrar la Base de datos de la antigua web?? eso??
Si es asi yo voto que no.

[B]Lo malo es que no se ingles[/B]  :(  :( [/quote][/quote]

[quote user="JANU1535" post="3730"]Please in english...[/quote]


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ukiello
Sat 14 Oct, 2006 16:43

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yes


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Mighty Gorgon
Mon 16 Oct, 2006 01:02

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No need for this discussion anymore...

Locking... :wink:


